Curse

snoozer80 · Oct 28, 2008, 10:57 AM // 10:57

Hi!

I am sure You have noticed that strange fact.

Of course we all know z-chest may drop any of inscr versions of GW weapons but some skins still doesnt exist. There are some examples:

- Echovald Shield
- Gothic Defender
- Ornate Shield
- Celestial Staff and Scepter
- Oni Blade
- Outcast Shield
- Plagueborn weapons

As You can see theese are Faction skins. And I still doesnt know why those skins don't drop from Z-chest.

Thanks that, those weaps are still rare, but anyway its annoying sometimes.

Carinae · Oct 28, 2008, 11:01 AM // 11:01

- Bone Spiral Rod

caballo_oscuro · Oct 28, 2008, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by snoozer80

Hi!

I am sure You have noticed that strange fact.

Of course we all know z-chest may drop any of inscr versions of GW weapons but some skins still doesnt exist. There are some examples:

- Echovald Shield
- Gothic Defender
- Ornate Shield
- Celestial Staff and Scepter
- Oni Blade
- Outcast Shield
- Plagueborn weapons

As You can see theese are Faction skins. And I still doesnt know why those skins don't drop from Z-chest.

Thanks that, those weaps are still rare, but anyway its annoying sometimes.

from Wiki:

"Inscribability or an Inscription slot is an inherent property of some weapons which allows them to accept inscriptions. The system was introduced with Guild Wars Nightfall; inscribable weapons are only available in Nightfall, Guild Wars Eye of the North, in the chests that spawn after defeating Kanaxai and Urgoz, and in the Hall of Heroes chest.

The introduction of inscribable versions of a weapon lead to confusion, as it is not immediately obvious whether a weapon has an inscription slot or not. The text "Inscription: None" or "Inscription: <Inscription name>" in the weapon description reveals that an item is inscribable. If the description does not contain this text, the weapon cannot be inscribed. "

And in the Zaishen chest wiki page it says not all skins are available.

So Anet never intended all weapons to be made available from the Z chest, or even all inscribable weapons. If there's a particular inscribable you want find out where to get it and farm... Or else whine on the forums cos the shop you're standing in doesn't sell your favourite flavour of ice cream...

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Inscribable
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Zaishen_Chest

garethporlest18 · Oct 28, 2008, 11:10 AM // 11:10

Because those are Faction only drops. Why Anet didn't add them to the chest? I'm not sure, they could have. I mean Guardian of the Hunt can drop inscribable right? But that might have to do with the elite missions too. I do wish some of them would drop from the Z-chest because those weapons would be cool to have, cause when you usually get them their inherent's are meh.

upier · Oct 28, 2008, 11:30 AM // 11:30

Yep, it's question like these that keep me up at night ...

Sjeng · Oct 28, 2008, 11:37 AM // 11:37

Caballo explained it quite clearly. Thanks!

obsidian ectoplasm · Oct 28, 2008, 11:38 AM // 11:38

well at least we know these weapons wont do a
" ele sword, voltaic spear, dead bow, sephis axe ect ect"

what I'm saying is because they arn't isnct they will always have value

snoozer80 · Oct 28, 2008, 11:39 AM // 11:39

Yes i know but.. I.e Gothic Sword or Gothic Axe drops inscr from z-chest, other celestail weapons as well. There is no rule i see.

Jongo River · Oct 28, 2008, 11:43 AM // 11:43

Maybe there's a limit on how many items can be associated with a particular chest?

ac1inferno · Oct 28, 2008, 02:02 PM // 14:02

It would be better if Anet just made everything have inscription. That way, a new player wouldn't need as much money to get something decent. If not make everything have inscription, then just take it out completely. Either one way or the other, I think its stupid to have it in half the game and not the other half.

Tom Swift · Oct 28, 2008, 02:29 PM // 14:29

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

It would be better if Anet just made everything have inscription. That way, a new player wouldn't need as much money to get something decent. If not make everything have inscription, then just take it out completely. Either one way or the other, I think its stupid to have it in half the game and not the other half.

While i enjoy GW, this is one of the major problems with it and one of the reasons I doubt I will move to GW 2 - inconsistent decisions by the developers:

inscribable weapons suddenly start dropping when nightfall was introduced but factions and proph weapons remain unins. Why? doesn't really make sense and also pushes the majority of players to nightfall or eotn, leaving Cantha empty. Do one or the other but this half and half is dumb.

Many other things show the same lack of consistency. weapons from one place can be dyed but the exact same skin from another can not. Putting a very low drop rate on certain skins and then making them drop like candy all over eotn, heroes, consumables, etc, etc.

I realize what happens is that they come up something they think is a good idea - and often they are good ideas. So they implemented them with whatever new campaign they are building. but, because they don't go back and adjust the old campaigns to fit, the whole thing is disjointed and feels messy.

The only thing they have been basically consistent with have been minipets. and frankly, if i wanted to play pokemon I would have bought pokemon.

Since the same developers who made these decisions are now making GW 2, I can only assume it will be handled in much the same way. so I, for one, will enjoy and play GW1 till it dies and then move on to something not ANet related. It's not that I don't enjoy it. It's just that the game, as it is now, simply would not be worth paying the same amount of money for again. So i will enjoy what i have but not sink any more cash into it.

Daisuko · Oct 28, 2008, 02:45 PM // 14:45

A more important question is... Why the heck are there still no celestial or zodiac Foci? suuure you can use a shield, but foci is better a lot of times. Plus it's just weird to leave 'em out.

Arduin · Oct 28, 2008, 02:53 PM // 14:53

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

I realize what happens is that they come up something they think is a good idea - and often they are good ideas. So they implemented them with whatever new campaign they are building. but, because they don't go back and adjust the old campaigns to fit, the whole thing is disjointed and feels messy.

Nightfall brought Insignia's; all Proph. and Factions armor were changed as well.

Still don't know why they kept the Inscribable weapons Nightfall- and EotN-only though.

Lyndka · Oct 28, 2008, 03:38 PM // 15:38

Don't forget that the Prophecies end-game 'crafted weapons' are inscribable too...

caballo_oscuro · Oct 28, 2008, 03:41 PM // 15:41

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Originally Posted by Arduinna

Nightfall brought Insignia's; all Proph. and Factions armor were changed as well.

Still don't know why they kept the Inscribable weapons Nightfall- and EotN-only though.

Well it's quite common in large games like MMOs which have development to bring in new features only available in that particular part of the game and going forward.

Inscribables were probably intended only to be available to people who owned NF so they would have a more valuable option to trade with players who don't have NF or eotn.

The same is the case with other aspects of the game, and indeed in MMOs the world over. Basically if you want the item either go get it yourself in the place that it comes from or spend huge wads of cash to acquire it.

If you don't think it's fair, then go and tell Anet, but I would suspect the answer you receive will probably be nothing positive if you receive anything at all.

Inscribables are available in the UW, FoW, Urgoz and the Deep. there was no incentive to change the weapons for the older games as they weren't a feature in them and you should be able to play those games with the weapons you find there. else go to the place you can find the weapon, bring it back and use it.

caballo_oscuro · Oct 28, 2008, 03:43 PM // 15:43

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Originally Posted by Lyndka

Don't forget that the Prophecies end-game 'crafted weapons' are inscribable too...

True, although these weapons were only introduced during the 3rd birthday celebrations this past April. They weren't originally in Prophecies.

maraxusofk · Oct 28, 2008, 04:48 PM // 16:48

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

It would be better if Anet just made everything have inscription. That way, a new player wouldn't need as much money to get something decent. If not make everything have inscription, then just take it out completely. Either one way or the other, I think its stupid to have it in half the game and not the other half.

something decent? since when did a new player NEED certain skins? its this kind of thinking that introduced inscription when crafters were available for perfect mods, and its this kind of thinking that ruined pve. remove the last vestiges of the old guild wars by making everything inscriptable? no thanks.

MirkoTeran · Oct 28, 2008, 05:11 PM // 17:11

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Originally Posted by ac1inferno

It would be better if Anet just made everything have inscription. That way, a new player wouldn't need as much money to get something decent. If not make everything have inscription, then just take it out completely. Either one way or the other, I think its stupid to have it in half the game and not the other half.

Collectors and Crafters say hi.

Yawgmoth · Oct 28, 2008, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Some weapons are rare, some are not.
Some drop only in one campagin, some in 2 and some everywhere.
Some drop only from 1 or 2 specific chests, and others from many kinds of chests and mobs.
Some drop only inscribable, only noninscribable or in both versions.
Many drop from Zaishen Chest and quite a large bunch doesn't.

It's called VARIETY. And it's good.

Those weapons which don't have their lame inscribable copies are especially valuable and more cool because of that fact. They should stay like that, for many reasons.

You dont *need* a particular skin with specific stats. You may want it. But you have to remember - they're just *VANITY* items.

snaek · Oct 28, 2008, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by MirkoTeran

Collectors and Crafters say hi.

crafters r actually quite expensive
u can buy common (but kikass) r9inscr for under 5k in kamadan

cheapest would be to buy 500g-1k greens

next cheapest would be go to the guru sell page or kamadan
and buy an r9inscr for 1k-5k and mod it urself

collectors can technically cost no money at all
unless u buy the trophies instead of farmin em urself
but its hard to find a seller for some of em
so i wouldnt really recommend it